tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post7911585193360927378..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: How to Make the Church Even Less RelevantA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-1839635734177234302015-02-13T12:04:02.568-08:002015-02-13T12:04:02.568-08:00The official name, williamp, is "The Protesta...The official name, williamp, is "The Protestant Episcopal Church in the Diocese of South Carolina", but it has also registered the names "The Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina" and "The Diocese of South Carolina. See the <a href="http://www.diosc.com/sys/images/documents/tec/ti_1_31-13.pdf" rel="nofollow">Temporary Injunction issued in January 2013</a> which lists the registered names.<br /><br />The remnant group has adopted the name "The Episcopal Church in South Carolina" for the time being. But it is not large enough to continue to exist as a separate entity in ECUSA, and so will probably be folded eventually into the Diocese of Upper South Carolina.-- which might then change its name, as well. But for now, that is the situation. I would have to say the remnant group brought any confusion that may exist upon itself, by insisting on its claim to a name that had never belonged to it.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-74206398062431450422015-02-13T09:53:48.147-08:002015-02-13T09:53:48.147-08:00Mr. Haley, a question that seems present concernin...Mr. Haley, a question that seems present concerning the "identification" of church entities in South Carolina. As I understand it, the official (legal) name of the entity that is the older and larger (and ostensibly 'continuing') Anglican body in that state--is "[The(?)] Diocese of South Carolina". I don't know the name being used by the newer, smaller body affiliated with TEC/ECUSA, however, the ultimate official name of that entity may yet to be determined. What is interesting to me is that the words "Episcopal" or "Anglican" don't appear in the official name of the older and larger body. To avoid confusion in the mind of some in the general public with regard to the status of each body, do you believe that the newer and smaller body will wind up with an official name that will serve to clarify the status of that body? For example, the newer and smaller body might have an official name such as "The Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina, organized 2014", or The Diocese of South Carolina (TEC/ECUSA).williamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462159892385010372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-11528044634926465612015-02-13T07:18:27.399-08:002015-02-13T07:18:27.399-08:00The only court in California to have decided that ...The only court in California to have decided that a diocese cannot unilaterally leave ECUSA is the trial court in Fresno, Duane Miller. It decided so once, and was reversed by the Court of Appeal. It now has decided so a second time, and I predict it will be reversed again, based on the decisions in other States that you cite.<br /><br />That said, there is no law that requires California courts to follow the courts of a different State. And usually, once a party like ECUSA has lost a case on the same grounds elsewhere, and that decision has become final (as it now is in Illinois), they cannot reargue the point elsewhere. So that, too, might be a reason why the California Court of Appeal will reverse the Fresno Superior Court. Stay tuned! A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-56943348332181292812015-02-13T06:53:29.984-08:002015-02-13T06:53:29.984-08:00Hello Mr Haley,
I have a question that keeps surf...Hello Mr Haley,<br /><br />I have a question that keeps surfacing in my mind and, I'm guessing, other minds too. Your insights would be most helpful. Here is its:<br /><br />In California the courts have decided (I think) that a diocese cannot leave TEC. In Illinois, South Carolina, and Texas, the courts have decided that a diocese (it appears) can leave TEC. How can this be explained? Is there something different about California law? Or their courts?<br /><br />Many thanks for your fine blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-88072685476003886082015-02-10T07:10:41.460-08:002015-02-10T07:10:41.460-08:00The Episcopal church in order to be more progressi...The Episcopal church in order to be more progressive than others must complete its work on marriage quickly and create "holy matrimony equality" otherwise some other church might become more irrelevant before they do. Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-44619671510423930042015-02-09T23:39:52.874-08:002015-02-09T23:39:52.874-08:00As I understand...in Russia, couples are "mar...As I understand...in Russia, couples are "married" in a civil ceremony (or maybe without ceremony) and the union is recognized by the state. THEN, if they want, they can enter into Holy Matrimony, a Christian Union, by the Church.<br />Maybe we could actually learn something from Russia.<br />And perhaps THE CHURCH could get out of the civil ceremony business, and issue Holy Matrimony certificates.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10906980382835490734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-4286321425076070032015-02-09T20:49:11.923-08:002015-02-09T20:49:11.923-08:00Fast on the way to "never was there" lan...Fast on the way to "never was there" land. Really sad stuff, though never a better documentary of the sacrilege. God bless you, Mr. Haley.Milton Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751775714568357428noreply@blogger.com