tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post6856833607949590354..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: ECUSA Succumbs to the Second LawA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-90611306628123489272009-10-19T10:26:26.409-07:002009-10-19T10:26:26.409-07:00Dear Mr. Haley,
As usual, yours is a most thoroug...Dear Mr. Haley,<br /><br />As usual, yours is a most thoroughgoing and penetrating analysis of the issue. Please also accept my thanks for linking to the paper by Bishop Allison, of which I was completely unaware. I have taken the liberty of saving a copy of the PDF for possible future reference.<br /><br />Also, please know that you are, and will continue to be, in my prayers as you soldier on from within TEC.<br /><br />Pax et bonum,<br />Keith TöpferMartial Artisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679584221923893460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-19045543855663413822009-10-19T08:52:25.325-07:002009-10-19T08:52:25.325-07:00As I wrote those words, TU&D, I thought of you...As I wrote those words, TU&D, I thought of you. My reasons for remaining Episcopalian are really simple: I worship in the same building I did when I began attending services when I was four years old; my church has had a succession of wonderful rectors; my donations remain in the local parish and, by agreement with the diocese, our allocation supports a mission to the Batwa pygmies, a very worthwhile cause to support; and -- last but not least, far from enabling those at 815, I am fully engaged in bringing them down by every means at my disposal. Were I to leave, I could not be half as effective as I can be by working from within. It would be too easy to walk away and let them believe they have "won". This way, at least, they have to realize that they will <b>never</b> be certain in their positions so long as they have folk like me to reckon with. Being the cause of any unease at the top, however slight, more than compensates the price of staying.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-3945839003386721912009-10-19T07:41:18.169-07:002009-10-19T07:41:18.169-07:00"I am an Episcopalian -- a member of a Church...<i>"I am an Episcopalian -- a member of a Church that is in free fall, and whose current leadership is a disgrace, as they say, to the profession."</i><br /><br />Dear Anglican Curmudgeon,<br /><br />I greatly enjoy your posts. But I am curious as to why you remain in TEc.<br /><br />On other sites I write something like: "Blank-blanks are <b>Institutionalist-Enablers</b> of TEc's soul-destroying heresy and apostasy. They are yoked, complicit, and morally culpable."<br /><br />And, of course, I have supplied supporting reasons, defended the proposition, and exposed the weaknesses of premises arguing to the contrary. It's not merely an assertion on my part. <br /><br />Now I won't debate you on this thread, my dear Anglican Curmudgeon, but I am curious as to why you stay in TEc. I should like to find out if your reasons are different from the ones that I've encountered before.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-50013777037849947252009-10-18T17:24:46.185-07:002009-10-18T17:24:46.185-07:00Shori said "Our ordination vows require us to...Shori said "Our ordination vows require us to "conform to the doctrine, discipline, and worship of this Church." <br /><br />So, are we to just sit back like little mindless robots and accept the "Churches" doctrine, discipline and worship even if it goes against Scripture? If ECUSA decided tomorrow that as part of Mass we now believe it okay to sacrifice chickens, would we (lay, priest, bishop) have to "conform....."? Funny that it's actually 815 which hasn't conformed to the Scriptures, doctrine, etc. of the Christian Church, the one holy catholic church, but has rather conformed to the "church of free will, new age, progressive secularists". It's no wonder the membership numbers are in decline and I think that they are probably worse than reported.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-90491639597939081852009-10-17T16:58:03.643-07:002009-10-17T16:58:03.643-07:00Perhaps you're right Curmudgeon, and I inserte...Perhaps you're right Curmudgeon, and I inserted ENIAC into the story in my oft retelling of it. Asimov's story was only 9 years after ENIAC was born. But compiling my master's thesis taught me that Google and Wiki are not all-knowing, especially for near-term pre-digital-era data. I'm holding out for an alternate version of the story, out there in the many now defunct avenues for publishing science fiction. (As of 1961, I had read virtually every science fiction book published in English.)Rolinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251910335736110149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-66045820704177231412009-10-17T15:28:49.098-07:002009-10-17T15:28:49.098-07:00Memories do funny things over time, Rolin. I, too,...Memories do funny things over time, Rolin. I, too, remember ENIAC, and I, too, read this story shortly after it was published. I think Asimov deliberately began his story well into the future, rather than with what would have already been the past. All of the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=isaac+asimov+the+last+question&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">Google links</a> to the story begin in the same way, with the first line that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> quotes as the opening of the story:<br /><br />"The last question was asked for the first time, half in jest, on May 21, 2061, at a time when humanity first stepped into the light. The question came about as a result of a five dollar bet over highballs, and it happened this way ..."<br /><br />—Opening line, The Last QuestionA. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-81960434415179274072009-10-17T13:41:54.441-07:002009-10-17T13:41:54.441-07:00Your link to Isaac Asimov's story leads to but...Your link to Isaac Asimov's story leads to but a fragment of the whole story, which begins (as I recall) with two programmers asking the <i>first</i> AC, ENIAC, the crucial question about entropy. I have oft related a much-condensed version of the story orally to others, but it has been a long time since I read the original as a teenager.Rolinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251910335736110149noreply@blogger.com