tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post6439139992036129041..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: How General Convention Really WorksA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-86429539617229885392009-07-09T12:03:16.148-07:002009-07-09T12:03:16.148-07:00Talk about a legislative quagmire. Rev'd Steve...Talk about a legislative quagmire. Rev'd Steve Wood, deputy from SC wrote about some of the things in front of the World Missions committee:<br /><i>"Silly me, I thought that a committee entitled “world missions” might actually talk about the proclamation of the Gospel message to the ends of the earth. And, maybe they will. But not just yet. Instead, here is a sampling of the resolutions set to appear before this committee: equal access to discernment process for transgendered persons; several resolutions seeking to overturn or supersede resolution B033 (a moratorium on same-sex blessings/ordinations passed in 2006); affirmation of full participation in the Anglican Communion for all Lesbian/Gay/Bi-sexual and Transgendered persons. ... The only connection I can make between these topics and world missions is that passage will effectively END any credible efforts at world mission."</i><br /><br />You should read the rest here:<br />http://treadinggrain.com/2009/i-tried-to-be-chill-but-youre-so-hot-that-i-melted-general-convention-day-3/Greg On the Runhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901614547219285108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-40542513418431835342009-07-07T18:42:26.302-07:002009-07-07T18:42:26.302-07:00True enough, Underground Pewster. General Conventi...True enough, Underground Pewster. General Convention "works" only in the sense that <i>Titanic</i>'s engines "worked" on the night of April 15, 1912. It is only in that sense that the title is meant.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-21774143925248784992009-07-07T17:25:21.161-07:002009-07-07T17:25:21.161-07:00Another snide remark from the pews:
I disagree wi...Another snide remark from the pews:<br /><br />I disagree with the underlying premise of this post. That is, the premise that General Convention "works" at all.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-78148215333501680422009-07-07T13:07:00.299-07:002009-07-07T13:07:00.299-07:00Those are valid points, Father Weir --- thank you ...Those are valid points, Father Weir --- thank you for making them. However, there remains a difference between someone conscientious, like yourself, who tries to ascertain what the people who elected him expect him to do, and making the flat-out statement that deputies "cannot be instructed to vote one way or another". The latter is a complete reversal of how General Convention began, as I demonstrated in <a href="http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/12/representing-jesus-at-gc-2009.html" rel="nofollow">this earlier post</a>. (See also <a href="http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/12/know-enemy-is-this-general-convention.html" rel="nofollow">this one</a> as well.)<br /><br />As far as the seating of deputies from the four disputed dioceses is concerned, I stress that while in principle they may need representation, there are procedures which they could have followed to obtain representation the correct way, but they (or rather, their attorneys)have chosen not to follow those procedures because of the difficulties that would be created for the position which those attorneys are currently taking in the various lawsuits. So in order to maintain one position in court, the attorneys are having the groups they represent run the risk of being found to have been illegal participants at General Convention. It is all part of what I call a "<a href="http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/08/murder-of-crows.html" rel="nofollow">murder of crows</a>" approach to ECUSA's problems, and I think that in the end it will do far more harm than good.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-5339839908792948062009-07-07T10:36:38.808-07:002009-07-07T10:36:38.808-07:00I want to a couple of points that havce been made ...I want to a couple of points that havce been made about the GC.<br /><br />1. GC has deputies - and not as political conventions do delegates who come with clear instructions about how to vote in the nominating process. I have been a deputy and I have listened to the voices of others in the diocese as I have prepared for GC. Instructions from those who elected me were, however, not given, as all of us were aware that the final form of any resolution may be very different from the form in which it was distributed before GC. Keeping in mind what I heard from others before GC and listening to the debates at GC, I had to vote in accordance with my best judgment, aware that it was that judgment that those who elected me trusted.<br /><br />2. I understand that the civil courts have not finished dealing with the legal standing of certain dioceses. It is, however, appropriate for the remaining members of ECUSA in those regions to be represented at GC. The seating of deputies when there is some doubt about their election can, I believe, be challenged.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.com