tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post6396726064567149077..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Bishop Lawrence Addresses His Diocese Following General ConventionA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-13206183310215333772012-07-16T09:57:45.773-07:002012-07-16T09:57:45.773-07:00ASH
All the lawsuit would do is further diminish ...ASH<br /><br />All the lawsuit would do is further diminish (if hers can shrink further) her credibility because, unlike in Georgia, there are some legal rulings already in SC's favor...and all churches in the Diocese also have 'quit claim deeds.' Seems like she would have way more to lose at this point by suing the Diocese of SC. <br /><br />Of course, I've long suspected that the people at 815 (For Sale...maybe) just believe their own skewed press releases anyway. True believers.The Reformed Reinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12117578058106157744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-61460861303460881922012-07-16T08:33:39.565-07:002012-07-16T08:33:39.565-07:00TRR, +Jefferts Schori could do that -- she could t...TRR, +Jefferts Schori could do that -- she could take any number of written communications by Bishop Lawrence to his Diocese and claim, à la +Iker, that they constituted a "declaration [to her!] in writing of voluntary renunciation of Bishop Lawrence's orders in they Church." Such a leap of illogic would be nothing to her, nor would she show any shame.<br /><br />The only practical effect that would have, however, is to preclude Bishop Lawrence from attending any more meetings of the House of Bishops. And if they were not minded to reverse the PB's outrageous call, then he would be well quit of them.<br /><br />After that, she would have to declare the see of South Carolina vacant, and hold a rump convention. But any attempt to do so would be overrun by those faithful to Bishop Lawrence. Ultimately, I guess, the world could see the unprecedented spectacle of the PB (a) invading the DSC to call an illegal convention; (b) summoning security guards to keep out thousands of Episcopalians while the few hundreds comprising the South Carolina Forum met to organize and elect a provisional bishop; and (c) trying to announce the reorganization of a new DSC while being drowned out by thousands and thousands of real Episcopalians.<br /><br />And in the end, ECUSA's membership would have dropped by some 30,000 in ASA, or nearly 5% of the estimated current total, while ACNA's membership would increase by nearly 10%. What a great strategic move for her to make!<br /><br />Oh, yes -- almost forgot: and then the lawsuit would be filed to recover all of the DSC's bank accounts and property ...A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-33128134458138046582012-07-16T06:45:29.308-07:002012-07-16T06:45:29.308-07:00Can't Jefferts-Schori just declare (the Holy S...Can't Jefferts-Schori just declare (the Holy Spirit told her too...and no, of course she isn't a loonier version of Pat Roberts whom she probably despises with every breath in her body, etc.) that Lawrence has 'left the church' which is sort of similar (thought a touch different) to what she did with Iker, Duncan, and company. The main thing Lawrence hasn't done in 2012, that they did do in 2008, is join the GC of another Anglican province.The Reformed Reinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12117578058106157744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-56624700162992395082012-07-15T20:56:39.505-07:002012-07-15T20:56:39.505-07:00Rob, very good -- you have understood the strategy...Rob, very good -- you have understood the strategy exactly.<br /><br />By the time Bishop Lawrence is of retirement age, I expect that ECUSA will look very different and much smaller. And they will either have learned their lesson by then, or not. <br /><br />ACNA, on the other hand, may have gotten through its bumpiest years and by then be growing steadily.<br /><br />If ECUSA will have learned their lesson by then, then no problem. And if not , well, why should the DSC at that point want to remain with them, anyway? It would bring them nothing but more trouble.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-60971136114127605762012-07-15T16:47:46.870-07:002012-07-15T16:47:46.870-07:00It just dawned on me the wisdom of the strategy be...It just dawned on me the wisdom of the strategy being pursued by Bishop Lawrence.<br /><br />Using the analogy of the Articles of Confederation, the Diocese of SC will have no need to withdraw from the Episcopal Church. Without a supremacy clause, the GC & national church have no legal means to impose change on the Diocese that the Diocese does not agree to.<br /><br />So the Diocese will valiantly and stubbornly remain orthodox, within ECUSA. <br /><br />Is that a fair summary?<br /><br />The catch of course will come when it is time to select a successor to Bishop Lawrence. What if, as the price of assenting to the new bishop, the ECUSA demands assent to the canon changes hitherto resisted by SC?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11898000057608789379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-86478058406820939762012-07-15T16:19:43.614-07:002012-07-15T16:19:43.614-07:00AC
That's good too. I was thinking of "Wh...AC<br />That's good too. I was thinking of "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-74309567097772869472012-07-15T11:52:29.779-07:002012-07-15T11:52:29.779-07:00Dale Matson, do you mean the lines from Beckett...Dale Matson, do you mean the lines from Beckett's most famous play? <br /><br />“Let's go." <br /><br />"We can't." <br /><br />"Why not?" <br /><br />"We're waiting for Godot.”A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-22521403053161690402012-07-15T05:46:55.334-07:002012-07-15T05:46:55.334-07:00Is a line from Becket coming to mind?Is a line from Becket coming to mind?Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-33576479728815721572012-07-15T04:40:56.671-07:002012-07-15T04:40:56.671-07:00Yes, we will have to wait and see. It won't be...Yes, we will have to wait and see. It won't be easy. Given that is summer, there will be many who are ignorant of what took place at General Convention. Alas, there are still many who think the Church is their local parish and have no clue what is going on at he national level.Alexihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222877183938209659noreply@blogger.com