tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post5724457999350435342..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: A Triumph of Injustice and IrresponsibilityA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-56505608828587516352018-01-12T12:33:02.536-08:002018-01-12T12:33:02.536-08:00The Diocese has stated it intends to file a petiti...The Diocese has stated it intends to file a petition for review by the United States Supreme Court. The deadline for filing is February 15. Once filed, it will take 60 - 90 days to know whether the Court will grant or deny review. Although the rump group could try to take over the properties beforehand, the Diocese could try to seek a stay if they do. Most probably, therefore, everyone will wait to see what SCOTUS does with the Diocese's petition.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-53202849361552063292018-01-12T11:56:08.368-08:002018-01-12T11:56:08.368-08:00Does anyone know if there is a date that the Dioce...Does anyone know if there is a date that the Diocese of SC has to vacate its properties?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083154174820118688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-1825481331087287142017-12-02T12:04:44.961-08:002017-12-02T12:04:44.961-08:00I live near Greenville, South Carolina, and I'...I live near Greenville, South Carolina, and I've seen how houses that once cost less than $100K are now going for over $200K. Wealthy (and, I might add, usually progressive) Baby Boomer transplants were once contained more in the Asheville area, but that's no longer the case because every week there is a new subdivision going up. I live in the Upstate, but I hear similar things about the Charleston area. I'm trying to think how ECUSA's elite think, and I'm guessing that they want the real estate to sell to a developer, and they are just using the remnant groups to this end. This makes any mediation process, I fear, worse for the Diocese of SC because they have the people and this makes it harder to wait out this lengthy process under tentative circumstances. ECUSA doesn't really have many people, so they can afford to wait out a lengthy legal deliberation (which, unfortunately, they'll probably win since the rule of law seems to be dead now in SC). The Reformed Reinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12117578058106157744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-47333428484653376792017-11-30T04:21:25.129-08:002017-11-30T04:21:25.129-08:00The whole situation is a sham. To think that a Ch...The whole situation is a sham. To think that a Christian entity, that has broken away from the gospel's teachings, & has lost thousands of members as as result, would now sue those believers for their property, is mimicing C.S. Lewis' Screwtape, otherwise known as the Devil's representative. TEC should be abolished and all the property they have acquired should be returned to those who paid for them. TEC is a robber baron who has radicalized Christianity & should not be allowed to punish those who disagree by stealing property in which they have no financial investment. When their war chest of over $300 million runs out, perhaps someone will understand that lawsuits will not engender God's grace.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12962973324306470252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-40693171723784012492017-11-25T08:36:08.566-08:002017-11-25T08:36:08.566-08:00There is some sort of mediation process going on b...There is some sort of mediation process going on between the two sides. With the SC Court decision, the advantage there would appear to have been with TEC. I wonder if the betterments suits are designed to make taking it all too expensive for that small group.Katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553894154841373604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-69062973141464680372017-11-24T16:23:44.687-08:002017-11-24T16:23:44.687-08:00I've never known a TEC bishop to take a step b...I've never known a TEC bishop to take a step back, think for a moment, and introspectively ask, "Gee, maybe I'm part of this problem?" Most of them are nice people, but aside from living in a bubble, they suffer from a peculiar episcopal-flavored sense of entitlement as well as a nostalgia for the last century. Aside from this, none of them take any responsibility for the failures of national church policy (failures that are pretty self-evident to the rest of us in the ECUSA pews). <br /><br />That said, suppose that there was a chance that Michael Curry, in a gesture of goodwill and graciousness, offers the ANCA congregations, whose residency has become suddenly untenable from a legal standpoint, free residency until the property situations are worked out. Even if Bishop Curry did make such a suggestive offer, I bet TEC establishmentarians in the Low Country like Kaye Hearn would refuse to heed his advice. Then again, if history is any guide, TEC's provisional bishop will sell the properties from under Kaye Hearn's feet. Unless the governor or SCOTUS steps in, 815 will get rich on this deal (I live in SC, and real estate right now is doing very well), and more resources and spaces that were being used to combat the social decay and spiritual crisis that haunt our society (even in the so-called Bible Belt) will be gone. The Reformed Reinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12117578058106157744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-54821782658970308532017-11-22T09:28:16.780-08:002017-11-22T09:28:16.780-08:00Thank you, Mr. Haley. God's will does not dep...Thank you, Mr. Haley. God's will does not depend on those church properties. His love and grace are in the hearts of his people.<br /><br />Thanks, Joe, for telling me what the "betterments" approach means.Katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553894154841373604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-47835768491820760482017-11-21T17:33:24.343-08:002017-11-21T17:33:24.343-08:00Now they have gone a filed a "betterments&quo...Now they have gone a filed a "betterments" lawsuit. Oh, you say we dont really own the properties? Cool. Pay us for all the improvements we made.<br /><br />Will be interesting to see how this turns out...Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285325003136746333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-14910405729715138232017-11-20T20:16:01.224-08:002017-11-20T20:16:01.224-08:00I respectfully decline to prognosticate, Katherine...I respectfully decline to prognosticate, Katherine. Are there sufficient grounds for the Court to review the case? Certainly. But has the Supreme Court accepted any church property case for review in the last 38 years? No, it has not.<br /><br />At the same time, has there ever been a time when there have been more representatives of a truly hierarchical church (the one headed by Pope Francis) on the Court? No. So one would hope (but not expect) that they could have no difficulty in seeing through the shallowness of ECUSA's claims to be "hierarchical", and hence above the civil courts.<br /><br />So if the Court will not accept the South Carolina travesty for review, then Christians there will want to accept that God has greater things in store for Bishop Lawrence and his followers, while those who in the short term might benefit from this travesty may come to regret the unforeseen but fully-deserved fruits of an unreasoned and indefensible victory in the civil courts.<br /><br />As is always the case in these matters, time will identify the side that is in accord with God's will. More than that we cannot ask.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-62464579438821331052017-11-20T17:49:07.647-08:002017-11-20T17:49:07.647-08:00Is the Supreme Court at all likely to take such an...Is the Supreme Court at all likely to take such an appeal?Katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553894154841373604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-88763917663343094892017-11-20T10:26:38.777-08:002017-11-20T10:26:38.777-08:00As long as the parties have opted for the civil co...As long as the parties have opted for the civil courts to rule, they might as well go all out and appeal to the SCOTUS.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-63814533272628793802017-11-20T08:20:36.964-08:002017-11-20T08:20:36.964-08:00Each Gospel account would have led true followers ...Each Gospel account would have led true followers of Christ directly away from their botched reasoning in this South Carolina Supreme Court's decision.<br /><br />Good ideas spread like bad ideas, and it takes work to spread them both. Lawyers have worked very hard to get other lawyers to buy-in to their wickedness.<br /><br /><br />MIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13947286602634684447noreply@blogger.com