tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post5656135701781449495..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Making Heresy Pay: ECUSA's Hired ExpertA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-20324710608825499882011-08-04T14:41:57.354-07:002011-08-04T14:41:57.354-07:00For those wondering how to find the document Dharm...For those wondering how to find the document Dharma Bum discusses, here is <a href="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/mdl_62716_ENG_HTM.htm" rel="nofollow">a link to the page with the quotation he references</a>.<br /><br />It is worth noting that this passage appears in a study on the theology of ministry, prepared by the Standing Commission on Ministry Development for General Convention 2000 -- before all the subsequent litigation began. The document provides evidence of how the official line at ECUSA changed within the space of just seven years -- largely with the cooperation and assistance of Prof. Mullin.<br /><br />Thank you for that reference, Dharma Bum!A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-75379729110961142202011-08-04T08:26:59.509-07:002011-08-04T08:26:59.509-07:00I hope that any of us that happened to read the fo...I hope that any of us that happened to read the following portion of the "Ordering of the Church" chapter (that references Dr. Mullin as a source in its footnotes) of the "Ministry in Daily Life" section of the TEC web site might be forgiven for our not understanding, at least until we read your revelatory blog post, just how definitively hierarchical the TEC has retrospectively become since Prof. Mullin started billing the TEC to testify as to the long history of its hierarchical character:<br /><br /> "American Episcopalianism was forged in the context of<br /> industrial revolution,<br /> democratic experimentation, and<br /> religious pluralism.<br /><br />Early Americans who were still committed to Anglicanism needed to recreate their church in a democratic mode - a hierarchical church with presumptions of prelacy was inappropriate in the new nation."<br /><br />I agree with the stated position of the TEC's Standing Commission on Ministry Development that a hierarchical church (particularly one increasingly held hostage by ill-trained, self-indulgent, and occasionally even thuggish hierarchs) is "inappropriate" for us anglicans here in america.<br /><br />P.S. Concerns about Mullin's academic integrity and competence add just one more chapter to the lengthy treatise on why General Theological Seminary should have been forced to file for financial bankruptcy (it achieved academic and theological irrelevance a couple of decades ago) when it over-leveraged itself and allegedly defrauded (one generously presumes inadvertently, not intentionally as some have suggested) its primary bank lenders a few years ago.Dharma Bumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13194704162537172547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-68793209600832710012011-08-03T21:22:36.460-07:002011-08-03T21:22:36.460-07:00He has just made a "contribution" to the...He has just made a "contribution" to the case against our parish here in Omaha, Nebraska as well! <br /><br /><br />SWRSean W. Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413612375936682682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-92185585413451958172011-08-03T19:32:02.856-07:002011-08-03T19:32:02.856-07:00Am I the only who thinks that the word "schie...Am I the only who thinks that the word "schiester" should apply to Professor Mullin?Gallettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07062791988762007882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-25894684923001878162011-08-02T19:44:10.751-07:002011-08-02T19:44:10.751-07:00This is a post which is naturally of some interest...This is a post which is naturally of some interest to me.<br /><br />For the record, I've been one of the "hired guns," on the other side and have had occasion to slog my way through Dr. Mullin's prose. <br /><br />After Allan's exhaustive recounting, I was curious enough to go back and check my files. <br /><br />After roughly a year of research, I have completed some 695 hours on behalf of the Diocese of Quincy, at a cost to them of roughly $25,000, and 116 hours on behalf of the Diocese of Fort Worth, at a cost to them of $3,400. <br /><br />Since I was using material for which Quincy had largely paid to write Fort Worth's affidavit, I split my writing fee for the latter and had the Diocese gift back half the money to Quincy.<br /><br />I mention this not out of self-congratulation as I still think I was overpaid (but since my wife was writing up her dissertation and academe doesn't appear to need my services, we really needed the money), but for purposes of comparison.Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-48059665787243662922011-08-02T19:07:38.079-07:002011-08-02T19:07:38.079-07:00Mark, I think Judas was reported as receiving only...Mark, I think Judas was reported as receiving only <a href="http://classic.net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Mat&chapter=26&verse=15" rel="nofollow">thirty pieces of silver</a>, but hey -- who's counting these days, especially at ECUSA?<br /><br />;>)A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-51702586777800210652011-08-02T17:23:59.275-07:002011-08-02T17:23:59.275-07:00Remind me not to stand anywhere near Dr. Mullin in...Remind me not to stand anywhere near Dr. Mullin in the judgement.<br /><br />Heck, Judas only took 40 pieces of silver. And he threw it back in regret.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059920222709764278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-5894080915946500172011-08-02T16:51:49.070-07:002011-08-02T16:51:49.070-07:00"That is way more than a half-time job -- abo...<i>"That is way more than a half-time job -- about 4 1/3 hours per workday in an average month."</i> <br /><br />As the former Reference Librarian of the GTS Library, the one who sat 10 feet away from Prof. Mullin everyday for over 2 years, I will say this appears to be an accurate figure. Any student of GTS from over the past several years has seen Prof. Mullin at his table in the library from the morning till evening just about every weekday except when he was traveling for depositions. <br /><br />@Underground Pewster: <i>"If he teaches this stuff, he ought to know it already."</i> <br /><br />He teaches a lot of it, but there is a huge difference between teaching the themes and trends of 220 odd years history, and knowing the wording and changes to the canons of all the dioceses involved in the lawsuits. <br /><br />That said, I am not a lawyer, or an member of TEC, so I don't really have a dog in this fight.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08462849660386581278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-26744996995556075232011-08-02T15:19:58.512-07:002011-08-02T15:19:58.512-07:00Thank you for that comparison, T.J. McMahon -- her...Thank you for that comparison, T.J. McMahon -- here is <a rel="nofollow">the link in clickable form</a>. There is truly a gulf between spending at the parish (or even diocesan)level, and spending at the national level.<br /><br />UP, there are some good studies out there about the holes and gaps in Prof. Mullin's "research", which has been heavily scrutinized because of ECUSA's equally heavy dependence on it in all its litigation. Perhaps the various authors might be encouraged to publish their critiques of what ECUSA has so dearly bought.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-28794715592754643742011-08-02T13:00:47.119-07:002011-08-02T13:00:47.119-07:00Hmmmm....$650K
The total plate and pledge for the ...Hmmmm....$650K<br />The total plate and pledge for the diocese of N Michigan for a year-<br />http://pr.dfms.org/study/exports/3714-7881_20110802_03584060.pdfTJ McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09878728399945432911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-77312806594995602512011-08-02T11:16:54.218-07:002011-08-02T11:16:54.218-07:00From the link provided,
"Professor Mullin is...From the link provided,<br /><br />"Professor Mullin is a scholar whose areas of specialty include American religious history, the history of Anglicanism and the Episcopal Church, denominationalism, miracles, and the history of American theology. He is the author of seven books and numerous articles. He is presently engaged in a study of the development of the church as an organization from the Civil War to the present. Much of this research is employed by the Chancellor’s Office of the Episcopal Church (for whom he is a consultant) in various church property disputes across the nation."<br /><br />Research? If he teaches this stuff, he ought to know it already.<br /><br />You may want to check and make sure that 815's budget does not have a line item in there called "Research Grants."Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.com