tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post4579914790780561669..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: The Difference Between Catholics and Episcopalians - Who Knew?A. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-71065540450894982592013-05-31T18:59:01.322-07:002013-05-31T18:59:01.322-07:00@Eric: Yeah, the slave girl was freed from demonic...@Eric: Yeah, the slave girl was freed from demonic possession and, afterward, was possibly abandoned by her handlers who had kept her enslaved. All by the imperious Paul.<br /><br />What a raw deal.The Thoughtful Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837834966880921191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-63816957349805106682013-05-31T13:42:49.889-07:002013-05-31T13:42:49.889-07:00I have always believed that the slave-girl in the ...I have always believed that the slave-girl in the story in Acts got a raw deal. Paul was more imperious and nearly as mercurial as Peter. The difference? Paul wrote more, or more of what he wrote survived, and Paul was theologically much deeper and more through going than Peter.<br /><br />It's good to know that someone feels for the slave-girl in the story.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16178289440428815116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-6567014218378541252013-05-30T09:23:35.353-07:002013-05-30T09:23:35.353-07:00Hear! Hear!, 10 - 4, and right-on! Hear! Hear!, 10 - 4, and right-on! David Christian Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02486433908063462273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-62174368285600288132013-05-29T21:04:48.436-07:002013-05-29T21:04:48.436-07:00Small Farmer, it is late and I am tired after a da...Small Farmer, it is late and I am tired after a day of full-on lawyering. I cannot tell what you are saying, and will not presume to speak for you, or put words in your mouth. You claim to speak for "most Episcopalians", but I do not see from anything you have said here the basis for that claim. And you speak of an "Anglican curia" which, as we both know, does not exist, although there may be those Anglicans who worship "tradition and power" (do you mean, <i>e.g.,</i> <a href="http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/48395/" rel="nofollow">the current rector and vestry of Trinity Wall Street</a>?), just as in every religion. But I cannot be certain whom you mean to designate, even if it be Trinity Wall Street (or not) -- since (again) you do not specify, and there is, unlike the RCC, no "Anglican Curia" as such. Also, you say that the RC Curia wanted to avoid a "hissy" on the part of the tradition- and power-worshipping Catholics; but if there was a similar reaction on the part of <i>any</i> Episcopalian <i>or</i> Anglican, I am unaware of it. As I said in my post, it seems as though all other Episcopalians and Anglicans were embarrassed by the PB's remarks, and did not even try to explain or exegete them. So if you care to amplify your remarks to explain yourself better, I will be in a position to deal with your concerns tomorrow. Meanwhile, thanks for coming here and sharing how you think about these things.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-54141528151216351242013-05-29T17:52:20.755-07:002013-05-29T17:52:20.755-07:00I note, ASH (and hello it's been awhile), that...I note, ASH (and hello it's been awhile), that most of us Episcopalians are not particularly concerned or interested in the criticisms of folks who seem to take inordinate delight in being "anti"....I offer the thought that Pope Francis I in his role as Pope and as a Jesuit is quite capable of saying precisely what he means...I suspect the follow up "correction and clarification" after the fact was a case of the Curia trying to ensure that folks who worship tradition and power instead of God didn't have a hissy...perhaps some of the folks in the Anglican Curia might take a hint as well?Small Farmer in The Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14271910054588466598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-81528357967075873862013-05-28T16:37:33.291-07:002013-05-28T16:37:33.291-07:00Father Rollo Rilling, my first priest, was a saint...Father Rollo Rilling, my first priest, was a saintly man. Jolly, but very earnest, incapable of fatigue....two weddings, a funeral, and tomorrow annual Parish Meeting (lots of beer and bingo and voting).<br /><br /> The Bishop came, laid upon us hands, and we all became very wise and full of the desire to ask the best questions at "senior Sunday School" now that catechism was in the rear view mirror. El Gringo Viejo was quick to ask the first question that particular Sunday following confirmation.<br /><br /> "Father Rilling, what is the difference, precisely, between the Roman Catholics and us if we are both catholic and apostolic, and our line-up of saints is so similar, and our churches are almost identical on the inside. It seems like it just the difference between Latin and Olde English and the married priests issue.<br /> Father Rilling responded with a sly grin, "Do not tell a soul. We are actually exactly alike. The only real difference is that...They are wrong!!!"<br /><br /> It was a good laugh for 12 and 13 year-olds who were beginning to have to fight pimples and dancing lessons. Yes, it was a good laugh.<br /><br /> There is no laughter left in this issue. The Bishop of Rome has more understanding about the Word and the Message, Redemption and Salvation, than this horrid woman, who is presiding over Dead Church Walking, will ever possibly comprehend.<br /><br />We keep trying to go, but find ourselves easing into the Roman Church a mile away, where my wife graduated from the parochial elementary and junior high. It's a shame. She's on the Altar Guild at the Episcopal Church in McAllen....What WAS that banal woman trying to say in Venezuela?<br /><br />The Nazarene saved the harlot from the stone throwers. He also told her to "...go and sin no more." He did not say, "Hey, you guys, live and let live! You're okay, she's okay."<br /><br />Oy veh!<br />El Gringo ViejoDavid Christian Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02486433908063462273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-82168138935848902512013-05-28T14:15:22.753-07:002013-05-28T14:15:22.753-07:00The dreadful sermon has been noted among some Orth...The dreadful sermon has been noted among some Orthodox as well. See...<br /><br />http://luxchristi.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/the-limits-of-ecumenism/John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-63627284378335626652013-05-28T09:59:27.526-07:002013-05-28T09:59:27.526-07:00Isaiah54, I think that Dean Munday was just pickin...Isaiah54, I think that Dean Munday was just picking up on the sensationalist news reports about the Pope's sermon, some of which I linked to above. All of those reports twisted the Pope's message by equating "salvation" with "redemption." And if Pope Francis had actually used the words ascribed to him in those reports, then, yes, he would be bordering on Universalism, as <a href="http://toalltheworld.blogspot.com/2013/05/pope-francis-universalist.html" rel="nofollow">Dean Munday says</a>.<br /><br />But he didn't, and just to be sure the press got the message, the Vatican's spokesperson, Fr. Thomas Rosica, issued a statement the next day to clarify that while Christ may have redeemed the atheists' sins along with everyone else's, the atheist would have <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/is-pope-francis-a-heretic-no-but-he-does-raise-questions_n_3333484.html" rel="nofollow">to repent and convert to Catholicism to actually be saved from Hell</a>.<br /><br />So I think Dean Munday can assuage his concerns. As the article I just linked says (along with the one I linked in the main post), there was no new doctrine in the Pope's statement -- only a new encouragement to evangelism on the part of Catholics (and, by derivation, on the part of all Christians). Don't let those atheists throw away their redemption!A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-7372950138222857622013-05-28T09:22:41.548-07:002013-05-28T09:22:41.548-07:00Robert Munday has a different take on that Pope Fr...Robert Munday has a different take on that Pope Francis sermon:<br />http://toalltheworld.blogspot.com/2013/05/pope-francis-universalist.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-40993632235471688452013-05-28T09:15:52.449-07:002013-05-28T09:15:52.449-07:00The revisionists in TEC keep insisting (what they ...The revisionists in TEC keep insisting (what they call "maintaining the narrative") that the reason the Diocese of South Carolina disassociated with (or "abandoned" in Episcobable) TEC is all about "marriage equality," when in reality the false gospel perfectly espoused in the PB's sermon is the real reason we left. "Marriage equality" is merely a presenting symptom that points at TEC's underlying sickness unto death. Bryan Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846676012167252042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-38170143704896568072013-05-28T06:27:06.402-07:002013-05-28T06:27:06.402-07:00The difference in one word: Relevance.
While the ...The difference in one word: Relevance.<br /><br />While the Episcopal church has spent the past 40 years constantly changing trying to be relevant, the Catholic Church stays relevant by staying constant. <br /><br />The lack of media coverage of +KJS' teachings is more evidence for the decline of TEc's relevance. <br /><br />Look for the GC to try to come up with some super-duper, fashionable, relevant resolutions and a new P.B. who can be more super-duper, cool, and relevant, next time they meet. Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.com