tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post4572619058053907628..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: The 2009 Church Follies (III): Veni, sancte spiritusA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-86449949031310935002018-12-31T09:58:53.523-08:002018-12-31T09:58:53.523-08:00I constantly spent my half an hour to read this we...I constantly spent my half an hour to read this website's articles all the time along with a cup <br />of coffee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-10751168874292446792009-06-30T23:29:36.937-07:002009-06-30T23:29:36.937-07:00You are exactly right, UP. There is no common grou...You are exactly right, UP. There is no common ground on which any rational person can meet someone who is fighting against (or to obliterate from all memory) an already dead resolution. B033 is one giant red herring which will serve only to draw the LGBT activist crowd into a marathon discussion - there is no way that the two hours allocated to it on Bonnie Anderson's schedule will be adequate, and I predict the obsession with it will turn the rest of the schedule for the HOD into a shambles.<br /><br />The fog has already descended upon the leadership that could set up General Convention for this kind of a fall, and it will soon envelop all the activist deputies, as well. As you probably know, folks who monitor it tell me that the HoB/D listserv fairly hums right now with the preparations by the activists to make sure they bring everything from laptop batteries to toothbrushes. They are focusing solely on what they will be able to push through for their common agenda, with no thought whatsoever of what it will mean for the larger Communion. <br /><br />In the final analysis, however, that agenda is self-defeating, because it will tolerate no other independent agendas around it. Once all the other agendas have been driven off the playing field, the activists will discover that what they have left will not hold together of its own. It is a goal-driven agenda, and the goal is to succeed and drive everybody else from the field. It stands for nothing positive on its own, so when there are no longer any significant opponents, the program will reduce to arguments over rites and vestments --- with a whole new world of possibilities for the "gender identity" crowd. <br /><br />I usually prefer to hold back just a bit, and not take on a confrontation that can do little good. But now all I see at the top levels in ECUSA is nothing but benighted leadership, bent on its own destruction. So I say: bring it on! Let's get this over with, and get back to a religion that we can salvage out of the wreckage. ECUSA is the future, but only for a short while longer. It could just be that Anaheim will offer the curtain on the final, perfect storm.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-11250449942161369102009-06-30T19:26:46.866-07:002009-06-30T19:26:46.866-07:00Susan Russell in a comment at T19 noted that it re...Susan Russell in <a href="http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/23691/" rel="nofollow">a comment at T19</a> noted that it really doesn't matter what happens to B033 because another way to negate it is:<br /><br />"According to a recent opinion by the Chancellor to the President of the House of Deputies:<br /><br />A Resolution adopted by one General Convention remains the position of the General Convention until it (1) expires by its own terms, (2) is revoked by a subsequent act of a General Convention, or (3) is superseded by General Convention’s adoption of something clearly contrary to the prior enactment even if the prior act is not explicitly revoked. A General Convention cannot bind a future General Convention, a future General Convention can always change what a prior General Convention has done.<br /><br />The Presiding Bishop’s 'preference' that we not revisit past legislation is <b>happily met</b> by option (3)."<br /><br />If she is happy, then all must be right with the universe.<br /><br />+Mark Lawrence is right, don't fight it. <br /><br />Momma always said, "No point in fightin with those folks, you'll just get your clothes dirty."Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.com