tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post4450487582126718604..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Rushing to Judgment: a Spurious Defense of Title IV (Part I)A. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-40174474246491755202011-02-24T09:26:33.732-08:002011-02-24T09:26:33.732-08:00TJMcMahon, your question goes to the heart of ECUS...TJMcMahon, your question goes to the heart of ECUSA's polity, and why it was established without a supreme judiciary. In 1789, its founders (who included some of the men who served in the Constitutional Convention) saw few parallels between the new government and the new Church. Both were to be governed minimally, but the Church even less so than the government. They trusted the clergy and the laity to follow their own religious tenets in governing themselves.<br /><br />Today, we have the problem that those in control of the Church no longer feel restrained by any concern for the moral propriety of their acts. The Church is seen as a political arena, where factions strive for and then seek to maintain "power" -- to control the budget, and hence the mission; and not least of all, to keep their opponents in place, and fearful of what might happen if they mount any real opposition. <br /><br />Since ECUSA is no longer what it was, its governing structures are not built to take the strain. When Canons are routinely ignored and violated at the very top, how can it be surprising that eventually those in the lower echelons would come to feel the same way?A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-64645625413498590772011-02-23T19:20:53.988-08:002011-02-23T19:20:53.988-08:00The question of the moment would seem to be- witho...The question of the moment would seem to be- without a Supreme Court or other constitutional arbiter, what, if anything, can be done to overturn these decisions? As we could point to the abuse of canon and constitution in the deposition of +Bob Duncan, or in the PB taking the phrase "I am not renouncing my orders" to mean "I am renouncing my orders", the fact that the new Title IV canon is unconstitutional can be pointed out. However, there seems absolutely nothing that can be done to change the current situation. Who would one appeal this to? In theory, even if a majority coalition were to come into being to effect changes at the next GC, under the canon as it takes effect on July 1, the PB could depose any bishop who would vote in favor of removing her new power.TJ McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09878728399945432911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-87024096213963175952011-02-23T18:24:11.757-08:002011-02-23T18:24:11.757-08:00Well written as usual. You have ben the source of ...Well written as usual. You have ben the source of much of my understanding of how ECUSA was formed and should govern itself via dioceses along with some older books on TEC. Actually now I understand why my mom was sooo upset decades ago about the beginning of these changes. She was correct. One small change leads to another which leads to another and pretty soon most everyone is headed in the wrong direction!! <br /><br />SC Blu Cat LadyGallettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07062791988762007882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-3337054373067679442011-02-23T18:08:19.130-08:002011-02-23T18:08:19.130-08:00The date of the response gives an appearance of a ...The date of the response gives an appearance of a last gasp effort so as to delay the actions of the S.C. diocesan convention. Of course, I give thanks that it failed in its attempt.Gallettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07062791988762007882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-21974386818928301952011-02-23T12:10:53.781-08:002011-02-23T12:10:53.781-08:00Not sure what you are asking, BtF -- I am not in a...Not sure what you are asking, BtF -- I am not in an ACNA parish, so the answer to your literal question is "no, I do not have any say on their adopting a new prayer book." I suggest you email me if you have further queries along this line (click on my profile), as I would like to keep the comment thread focused on the topic of the post.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-89946387099598954682011-02-23T11:52:18.824-08:002011-02-23T11:52:18.824-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Beneath the Firmamenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18106394101297019087noreply@blogger.com