tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post2192469389045809307..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Ms. Jefferts Schori, Produce the Letters!A. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-35863762878278329422009-11-05T21:50:25.693-08:002009-11-05T21:50:25.693-08:00Understandable under the Ackermans' reported c...Understandable under the Ackermans' reported current circumstances; but a sore disappointment, indeed.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the only thing the Schoris and the episcopal church cabal types understand is unadulterated brute force. They consider kindness, fairness, forgiveness, and common decency weaknesses to lustfully be taken advantage of.<br /><br />There will, however, eventually be an Anglican or, better yet, an inspired group of Anglicans, who SHALL step up to the plate and play exquisite hardball.......they will have brilliant legal acumen, the hearts of a lions, the armor of the Lord, and the Spirit of God Almighty leading them forward.<br /><br />Until then............Schori and comrades will gleefully win, scoff at the losers, and joyfully drag their ill gotten gains merrily to the bank to finance the demise of their next unwitting victims.bluebird272https://www.blogger.com/profile/01138572507411756160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-58833692337066616612009-11-05T18:49:31.621-08:002009-11-05T18:49:31.621-08:00David J, thank you for reporting that email. It is...David J, thank you for reporting that email. It is the first confirmation of which I am aware that Bishop Ackerman requested that this matter be kept private, and that his letters not be released. (Sigh.) Score one more for the tyranny at 815!A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-69884667435905959632009-11-05T15:21:15.111-08:002009-11-05T15:21:15.111-08:0011/5/09 - received the following email from Shori....11/5/09 - received the following email from Shori. (my servant? yeah, right!!)<br /><br />---------------------<br /><br />Dear Mr. Johnson,<br /> <br />The following is from Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.<br /> <br />Sincerely,<br />Miguel Angel Escobar<br />Office of the Presiding Bishop<br /> <br />----<br /> <br />Dear Mr. Johnson, <br /><br />I am unable to accede to your request, as Keith Ackerman has asked that I not publish his letters to me. I would encourage you to speak to your own diocesan bishop if you have concerns about this matter.<br /><br />I remain<br /><br />Your servant in Christ,<br /><br />Katharine Jefferts SchoriAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-19060738462097003602009-10-22T05:57:57.892-07:002009-10-22T05:57:57.892-07:00So, I sent an email to Shori's office requesti...So, I sent an email to Shori's office requesting copies of the letters be emailed to me or that they be posted somewhere online. That email was send on Tues 10/20. To date, no response, not even an automated one. Tick tock...tick tock...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-43049204670196300342009-10-21T07:26:12.078-07:002009-10-21T07:26:12.078-07:00Thanks for that; the +Burton business is by no mea...Thanks for that; the +Burton business is by no means isolated - I rather doubt +Michael Marshall's been inhibited for renouncing anything either.<br /><br />Love the 'red riding hood' point. I was good of the wolfish Boy Bishop to cut off his health insurance - isn't there a special 'pastoral fund' for situations like +KA's?LSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08120630078039958644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-31252728280319030562009-10-20T23:15:48.364-07:002009-10-20T23:15:48.364-07:00LSP, on reconsideration, "ignorance" is ...LSP, on reconsideration, "ignorance" is too harsh a word to use for Bishop Ackerman; I take that back, and apologize to him. After all that he had recently been through, and being in Texas and not Illinois, probably the last thing to enter his mind was: "now how should I do this canonically?" He is a generous and trusting spirit, and he simply wrote to the chief pastor of the Church in that same vein for her advice and counsel. The trouble is, it was no different from Little Red Riding Hood's innocent mistake with a wolf dressed up like her grandmother.<br /><br />Anthony Burton resigned his episcopacy in Saskatchewan in the ACoC to accept the post of rector at Incarnation in Dallas, and has also (according to the <a href="http://www.ecdplus.org/clergy/?clergyID=5712401" rel="nofollow">clergy directory</a>) transferred his canonical residence there. As far as I know, the ACoC had no need to depose him under their canons, or to deprive him of his ordained ministry for doing so. Interestingly enough, as the Bishop of Saskatchewan he could sign his own letters dimissory if Bishop Stanton had any need for them.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-85388053885748955762009-10-20T20:39:53.211-07:002009-10-20T20:39:53.211-07:00I think the "Show me the letters!" polic...I think the "Show me the letters!" policy is wise. <br /><br />I'd like to say that 'ignorance of the canons' was disingenuous but have to admit you're probably right. Regardless, at some point the axe was going to fall, canons and devil take the hindmost.<br /><br />Out of interest, what's +Burton's canonical status? Licensed by Dallas? Odd to see how easy it can be when the players are basically on the same team.<br /><br />Thanks for continued excellent commentary.LSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08120630078039958644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-31603680872290002952009-10-20T17:45:12.710-07:002009-10-20T17:45:12.710-07:00Thanks, Father Rob, for that cite to Bishop Ackerm...Thanks, Father Rob, for that cite to Bishop Ackerman's clarification, and I will note it in the text. All it serves to point out, however, is that both Bishop Ackerman and our Presiding Bishop are ignorant of how the Canons work. Bishop Ackerman had no business asking the Presiding Bishop for a transfer; he should have gone to the Standing Committee of his former Diocese and asked it (as the Ecclesiastical Authority) for letters dimissory, which would have been readily granted. Alternatively, since he was still canonically resident in that Diocese, he could simply have requested a license from the Southern Cone!<br /><br />And the Presiding Bishop still had no cause whatsoever under any of the Canons to treat a request for a transfer, however misguided, as a "renunciation" of ministry.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-81273345248883345002009-10-20T15:49:29.824-07:002009-10-20T15:49:29.824-07:00From AnglicansUnited weblog, Oct 19:
Bp Ackerman:...From AnglicansUnited weblog, Oct 19:<br /><br />Bp Ackerman: (Read his statement, above.0 For clarification , I want to state that <b>I did ask to be transferred to the Diocese of Bolivia.</b><br /><br />Fr. Wetzel: Each of you received an advance copy of the statement? Also received copies of PB’s communication ? Good. Gentlemen, the floor is open for questions:<br /><br />Doug LeBlanc: I appreciate the clarification that you did request transfer to the diocese of Bolivia. Would you address the sense that anytime a bishop requests transfer to a diocese outside of the US, the Presiding Bishop takes this as disinterest in TEC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-78924507993475207022009-10-20T09:42:26.334-07:002009-10-20T09:42:26.334-07:00Dear Mr. Haley,
Were not one already departed for...Dear Mr. Haley,<br /><br />Were not one already departed for Roman precincts, one would be sorely tempted to ask, with respect to the Presiding Bishop of TEC, "will no one rid us of this turbulent priest?" What utter rot and corruption from the leader of a body that purports to be Christian. I can scarcely believe that I have lived long enough to witness such craven and Godless behaviors. The PB appears morally and rationally unqualified to be a juror in a civil trial, let alone the Presiding Bishop of a Province of the Anglican Communion.<br /><br />Pax et bonum,<br />Keith TöpferMartial Artisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679584221923893460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-62004334623054692642009-10-20T09:05:15.013-07:002009-10-20T09:05:15.013-07:00Thanks. My thought is to flood them with emails r...Thanks. My thought is to flood them with emails requesting that she produce the handwritten letters from +Bp Ackerman and as well produce the pages from the ECUSA C&C stating that she is indeed "allowed" to remove a Bishop as she did. I doubt anyone would get a reply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-49893431417510869862009-10-20T07:47:39.893-07:002009-10-20T07:47:39.893-07:00Having had Bishop Ackerman as my parish priest in ...Having had Bishop Ackerman as my parish priest in the past, I cannot see him as lying. He is a most Godly man.<br /><br />However, Ms. Jefferts-Schori has constantly twisted the truth. She reads into words things that are not there as long as those things suit her ends. She is not worthy to be a priest nor a bishop because of her person (as well, in my belief, her sex). <br /><br />She will not bring forth the letters because they will show what a lie her actions are. She and the rest of the powers to be of TEC are ruled by this world and the prince of it. They will continue to act from Evil.BillBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17593147581583316765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-46900338743800388232009-10-20T07:21:30.465-07:002009-10-20T07:21:30.465-07:00This is such a travesty. When someone has to phot...This is such a travesty. When someone has to photocopy their personal correspondence so they are not misconstrued, misquoted, or railroaded out of a church.Reformed Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15582319442292078422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-71790102071045480922009-10-20T06:17:11.740-07:002009-10-20T06:17:11.740-07:00A.S. - is there a way to send emails to 815?A.S. - is there a way to send emails to 815?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-63982055654639821752009-10-19T23:42:58.124-07:002009-10-19T23:42:58.124-07:00Splendid idea !!!
Her contact information per the...Splendid idea !!!<br /><br />Her contact information per the TEC site is:<br /><br />The Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori<br />Presiding Bishop and Primate<br />815 Second Avenue <br />New York City, NY 10017<br />(212) 716-6273 • (800) 334-7626<br />pboffice@episcopalchurch.orgbluebird272https://www.blogger.com/profile/01138572507411756160noreply@blogger.com