tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post1906745543013865045..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Episcopal Church Sues Justice's Estate for MalpracticeA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-62811207975558765042009-10-06T12:40:59.023-07:002009-10-06T12:40:59.023-07:00I thought it was a parody when I read it, but it *...I thought it was a parody when I read it, but it *does* fit so well into the sort of things TEC has done during the current PB's tenure that I checked ENS to make sure. If the test of good satire is to be just close enough to reality to be plausible, while highlighting the absurdity of what is actually going on, this piece takes the cake.Jody Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073787540447454650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-54741397933630794922009-09-28T07:56:52.423-07:002009-09-28T07:56:52.423-07:00Wow. Just.. wow.
I especially like the touch at ...Wow. Just.. wow.<br /><br />I especially like the touch at the end. Yes, all grumpy old men should be balanced and objective. :)Paul Brannanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01608027891457305677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-24083980364166594052009-09-25T09:28:12.323-07:002009-09-25T09:28:12.323-07:00Hopefully, one will.Hopefully, one will.jmosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17788910071603270737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-34940722364158379522009-09-24T18:29:44.375-07:002009-09-24T18:29:44.375-07:00I for one a mature enough to accept A.S.'s exp...I for one a mature enough to accept A.S.'s explanation that this was a parody...and move on. Having said that though, I hope the some TEC lawyer doesn't get wind of this and actually go with it! Nothing would surprise me! They are so desperate to make their point and of course, they are low on lawyer cash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-26348841384611209882009-09-24T10:07:58.551-07:002009-09-24T10:07:58.551-07:00Doubting Thomas, thank you for your concern -- I a...Doubting Thomas, thank you for your concern -- I appreciate its sentiment -- but I assure you, I can handle anything that is dished out as a result of this post. For it would seem to me that anyone who failed to pick up that this was a parody (with its link to another parody on this site right at the outset), and then criticized and ridiculed its author for treating these outlandish facts as true, would do well to look in the mirror first. Any criticism and ridicule on those grounds will say far more about its source than it will about your trusty Curmudgeon.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-27841199364437380552009-09-24T09:04:25.787-07:002009-09-24T09:04:25.787-07:00Mr. Haley- I'm on your side of the issues but ...Mr. Haley- I'm on your side of the issues but publishing this piece w/o a disclosure somewhere that it was a "parody" caused it to be distributed on the internet as fact. Many who oppose TEC's agenda will believe its hierarchy capable of almost anything, including this. I'm sure it was fun for you to draft and clearly evidences your razor sharp wit and knowledge of the background but w/o the disclosure, it subjects you to criticism and ridicule.Doubting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000167682758490245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-4873647082771435872009-09-24T07:40:08.165-07:002009-09-24T07:40:08.165-07:00The funniest thing about this is how plausible it ...The funniest thing about this is how plausible it is.Randy Mullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12828902739679063909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-40143630312092053502009-09-24T07:17:56.149-07:002009-09-24T07:17:56.149-07:00In other words, sir, you are hereby awarded the &q...In other words, sir, you are hereby awarded the "Tongue in Cheek" Award for the month of September, 2009, and possibly for the entire year. Congratulations. We shall wait until the end for the final tally.jmosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17788910071603270737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-6482532927031096012009-09-24T05:07:23.029-07:002009-09-24T05:07:23.029-07:00Dadgummit, BB, then you, beat me to the punch. Les...Dadgummit, BB, then you, beat me to the punch. Lesson to me: be quicker.<br />my sainte Gramdmothe told me, "Son. you keep doing that and you'll poke a hole in your cheek.".jmosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17788910071603270737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-45827861286746122282009-09-24T04:10:27.053-07:002009-09-24T04:10:27.053-07:00Thanks for sharing that this is indeed a parody. ...Thanks for sharing that this is indeed a parody. Sadly I fear that not all so understand. I was advised by an ex military friend once to be sore not only that I am understood, BUT not misunderstood. As a pastor and now missionary who is learning how to be understood in another language - I know what it is to be misunderstood.<br />Having said that - I appreciate the "dry mock."Ian Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627900360516792546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-7919860118253239782009-09-23T23:32:17.060-07:002009-09-23T23:32:17.060-07:00Folks, I am happy/sorry (you choose which) to admi...Folks, I am happy/sorry (you choose which) to admit this is just a parody. Had this been a real-life news report, you would have received better references than just E[piscopal] N[onsense] S[preaders] linked at the outset, from "Prairie City".<br /><br />The point of the parody is to show how ridiculous is the idea that a sitting Supreme Court Justice could (a) offer legal advice while sitting on the bench; (b) have his advice taken seriously by the folks at ECUSA; and (c) be sued for "malpractice" for getting it wrong. By stressing these outlandish "facts", the post is meant to drive home how foolish it was of the Episcopal Church (USA) and Walter Dennis to think that they could rely on such gratuitous advice in the first place, without also taking note of Justice Blackmun's qualifier -- "in legally cognizable form" (see the original text of the post). <br /><br />So I am sorry if this parody led people to think it reasonable that people like ECUSA might actually <i>rely</i> upon the gratuitous legal advice handed down in connection with a judicial opinion, because -- believe me -- the world is not supposed to work that way. Judges are supposed to decide just the cases before them, and not to give free advice as to how to handle future cases which are similar to some degree. This is what makes what Justice Blackmun wrote in <i>Jones v. Wolf</i> so bad -- he had no business writing what he wrote, because it had nothing to do with the decision of the actual case in front of him. He was writing for a future audience, and telling them: "Look, what I've written is not so bad, because here is how you can get around it -- just do as I say, and you will be all right, <i>provided it is in legally cognizable form</i>."<br /><br />Those last words were the weasel words of Justice Blackmun's free legal advice. They fudged a whole host of problems that courts ever since have had to grapple with --no thanks to Justice Blackmun. By purporting to hand out free legal advice as to how hierarchical churches could avoid the consequences of his decision, Justice Blackmun actually made things much, much worse, because those churches snatched at the advice without reading the fine print.<br /><br />So -- those of you who thought my story related real facts that happened need to examine why you would be so ready to believe that the Church might think it could do something so outlandish as to sue a dead Supreme Court Justice for some gratuitous legal advice he happened to include in a written opinion. And those of you who recognized this post for the parody it was should sharpen your instincts for the next one, which will not be as obvious.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-28849925621970076792009-09-23T20:50:08.011-07:002009-09-23T20:50:08.011-07:00Is this serious or this just a parody? This can&#...Is this serious or this just a parody? This can't be real.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104649501089295507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-78353418375441505592009-09-23T20:23:34.684-07:002009-09-23T20:23:34.684-07:00Brilliant! Christopher Johnson has now met his ma...Brilliant! Christopher Johnson has now met his match. Brilliant!<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-11189550708197758202009-09-23T19:56:36.909-07:002009-09-23T19:56:36.909-07:00Surely this is a joke. If not, then it is simply ...Surely this is a joke. If not, then it is simply beyond belief.<br /><br />Blackmun has been dead for over a decade. Is there even the slightest possibility that a lawyer could file a claim against his estate in good faith, today?<br /><br />Further, is it even conceivable that a lawyer could make a good faith assertion that a judge's words in a published opinion in a case involving parties unrelated to the plaintiff nevertheless constitute legal advice to the plaintiff upon which the plaintiff is entitled to rely?<br /><br />I'm not a litigator, so maybe the courts really will let anybody sue anybody for anything and will hear the case. But if I were the judge, unless the chief priestess' lawyers could show me some strong authority for making such a claim, I would be inclined to hold the lawyers in contempt and smack 'em with fines they'd never forget, and toss in a week in jail to let 'em think over how they treat the courts. That would be after dismissing the case on my own initiative and charging every possible cost (including all fees of all of defendant's attorneys at their full rate) against the plaintiff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-35314998322084079472009-09-23T19:04:54.241-07:002009-09-23T19:04:54.241-07:00I may be just a lay person, but with the release o...I may be just a lay person, but with the release of the letter asking for donations today and now this, I can't help but think the PB and ECUSA is doing whatever it takes to get quick cash. They know they are loosing members hence money each month/year. I wouldn't be surprised is she sues individual parishioners if she thought it would generate money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-91106363477693869312009-09-23T18:47:05.934-07:002009-09-23T18:47:05.934-07:00Unfortunately for the P.B., Justice Blackmun's...Unfortunately for the P.B., Justice Blackmun's funeral was held at Washington's Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church and he was buried at Arlington National Cemetary. I don't think she will be able to sue for either property. After all, even Robt. E. Lee's heirs couldn't get Arlington back from the Yankees.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-31829215660442030452009-09-23T15:59:26.705-07:002009-09-23T15:59:26.705-07:00If I didn't already believe [Christopher] John...If I didn't already believe [Christopher] Johnson’s First Law of Episcopal Thermodynamics(Every joke you make about the Episcopalians eventually comes true), I would think this was farce. But who would have thought KJS and DBB would be this OUTRAGEOUS!?!Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11467124869002722927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-2828699582494371662009-09-23T15:11:41.722-07:002009-09-23T15:11:41.722-07:00Seems to me, they didn't understand the Justic...Seems to me, they didn't understand the Justice's advice and didn't execute it properly--that's not his fault, it's just further evidence of ineptitude.Jody Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073787540447454650noreply@blogger.com