tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post8236340236309426602..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Good News: ECUSA Did Not Mortgage 815; Bad News: It Pledged its Endowment InsteadA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-38851503606114684662011-09-16T14:05:02.151-07:002011-09-16T14:05:02.151-07:00Abu Daoud, thank you for coming here to comment. I...Abu Daoud, thank you for coming here to comment. In answer to your first question, I think that who the PB is makes a huge difference. As we saw under PB Frank Griswold, he believed that church property disputes were best left to the various dioceses to handle. Had PB Jefferts Schori followed his views, the Church would have been spared spending tens of millions of dollars.<br /><br />The biggest single problem facing ECUSA right now is a wholesale disrespect for canonical law, at all levels. Until we get a PB who will respect, and will command respect for, following the Constitution and Canons, there is no hope for the future of ECUSA -- it will break apart under its own lawlessness.<br /><br />So while those dioceses and parishes which were going to leave anyway may well have all left by now, I think that we have by no means seen the final days of ECUSA yet, but that we could see them in the next five to ten years.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-46989466380391953212011-09-16T11:24:11.530-07:002011-09-16T11:24:11.530-07:00Thanks for this article. I am wondering how import...Thanks for this article. I am wondering how important the specific PB is in this whole matter. I mean, when KJS is no longer in control, what are some of the main changes that you could possibly see happening? Fewer law suits? What else?<br /><br />Also, would you say that the parishes and dioceses that were going to leave TEC have by now for the most part done so? That is my impression personally.<br /><br />Thanks again.Abu Daoudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399746942963002389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-80448440584505958282011-09-15T19:36:39.569-07:002011-09-15T19:36:39.569-07:00How closely TEC under Jefferts-Shori parallels the...How closely TEC under Jefferts-Shori parallels the current US Administration. They seem more like twin dictators of spurious regimes than legitimate, well-meaning and honorable, orderly elected officials much of the time. In view of Scripture and law both have proven lawless. <br /><br />On every occasion, they are sure their idealogy and agenda (primarily pushing sexual sin, abortion, grabbing wealth, property and power, using Christian language, including the Name of Jesus to give it legitimacy) should trump canon and constitution. <br /><br />Nothing must get in the way of their steamroller of lust, greed and death as it crushes everything and everyone in its path.<br /><br />Reading the slick Catholics for Choice website and magazine (ironically called, Conscience) one can see the anger, ruthlessness with which the purveyors of death attack people like Fr. Frank Pavone and other pro-life defenders. The demons of deviance, decadence and death are spiteful, angry, violent spirits that hate dissenters and defectors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-20316333265402601212011-09-15T19:09:29.657-07:002011-09-15T19:09:29.657-07:00I finished reading the latest minutes that you pro...I finished reading the latest minutes that you provided as a link in your final paragraph. I feel like I just finished an episode of Dr. Who. It was surreal.<br />I think I would rather die than be condemned to participate in one of these meetings. It is the very pisture of an organization that has lost touch with reality.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-59503220601910196032011-09-15T12:17:38.326-07:002011-09-15T12:17:38.326-07:00I believe I was accurate, John. Pope Julius II (th...I believe I was accurate, John. Pope Julius II (the "Warrior Pope") was elected in 1503, and shortly thereafter began a military campaign to expand the papal territories. The area under papal control grew steadily under his successors, until reaching its greatest extent by the 18th century, with most of the lands added during the 16th and 17th centuries. The Council of Trent is irrelevant to my criticism of a Church's giving temporal concerns precedence over spiritual ones.<br /><br />The Catholic Church, at least, learned from its mistakes in that regard. The question is: will ECUSA?A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-32826999537468814272011-09-15T11:49:08.325-07:002011-09-15T11:49:08.325-07:00Which specific Popes, by the way, are you referrin...Which specific Popes, by the way, are you referring to? The problems that led to the Reformation began in the late 1400s with Popes like Alexander VI (Pope from 1492-1503). The 16th century (i.e., the 1500s) was marked by the Council of Trent, the specific effort to reform the Catholic Church. When badmouthing Rome, shouldn't you try to be as accurate as you are when badmouthing 815? After all, Rome is one viable option for people fed up with TEC, and they are entitled to accurate input to any decision they may wish to make.John Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04625895756906828468noreply@blogger.com