tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post3788751001328902690..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Easter TheobabbleA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-77283759739361515302010-03-17T10:22:53.842-07:002010-03-17T10:22:53.842-07:00Instead of "Christ is Risen", it's n...Instead of "Christ is Risen", it's now "Christ may or may not be Risen." INDEED!Anglitagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18344863874533861210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-13071885751048517962010-03-17T09:42:58.280-07:002010-03-17T09:42:58.280-07:00I have always thought the Isaiah quote was a Chris...I have always thought the Isaiah quote was a Christmas message of hope to a world in darkness.<br /><br />For the PB to use it as a metaphor of hope to the exiles in Babylon makes it even worse. <br /><br />Typical Jefferts Schori twisting of Scripture to suit her ideology.Allen Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853861649876959271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-90408631274694577802010-03-17T00:18:00.206-07:002010-03-17T00:18:00.206-07:00*sigh* . . . I too thought the reference was to Ba...*sigh* . . . I too thought the reference was to Babylon, which would be in keeping with the 'deutero-Isaiah' theory. But then I remembered that 'deutero-Isaiah' generally isn't held to begin until chapter 40. Apparently the PB can't even get it right when doing liberal criticism.TK+https://www.blogger.com/profile/16402992732775778006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-73270908308742675982010-03-16T21:17:10.369-07:002010-03-16T21:17:10.369-07:00My apologies if I've given the impression that...My apologies if I've given the impression that I believe that the PB's apparent beliefs are either orthodox or spiritually beneficial to Christians or anyone else. It simply seems that (in a very similar vein to the legal filings in the diocesan suit) the PB is consistently expressing an opinion that would make sense did not reality intervene.<br /><br />(As an aside, I'd also like to thank you for your clear and meticulous analysis of ECUSA's legal and theological wanderings of late. If this branch of the Church is going to pursue such enterprises, it's best to keep well-informed even--especially--for those of us who believe her mistaken.)chrylishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417282205206760286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-20050968869221219292010-03-16T19:01:08.630-07:002010-03-16T19:01:08.630-07:00UP, I'm afraid your worst fears are about to b...UP, I'm afraid your worst fears are about to become true. According to the main link (to the PB's "message"), the <a href="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/95270_ENG_HTM.htm" rel="nofollow">bulletin inserts</a> for Easter <i>will</i> contain the verbatim text of the PB's Easter screed.<br /><br />chrylis, you are welcome to your perception of a thread of consistency; I would be the last to wish to deprive you of it. What I am lamenting is the PB's inability to articulate it in a way that would relate to orthodox Christians of every stripe, and not just to those of extraordinary abilities.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-10171247673101788052010-03-16T18:04:08.735-07:002010-03-16T18:04:08.735-07:00Oh, I agree that the reference is poorly chosen; i...Oh, I agree that the reference is poorly chosen; it's simply that I <i>do</i> see in the PB's words and actions over several years a theological and philosophical consistency rather than an incomprehensible mush. I <i>disagree</i> with it strongly, but her worldview does seem to have an internal consistency.chrylishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417282205206760286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-27939547728114185062010-03-16T17:40:03.768-07:002010-03-16T17:40:03.768-07:00I agree that this qualifies as "Theobabble&qu...I agree that this qualifies as "Theobabble" udern the subcategory of "Episcobabble" or "EpiscoBabel."<br /><br />I just hope I never see this is the form of a bulletin insert. <br /><br />Easter as a "stretching exercise," I am shaking my head at that one; at least she is stretching my neck muscles. Easter yoga, welcome the Sun!Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-53174857092582302502010-03-16T11:22:01.075-07:002010-03-16T11:22:01.075-07:00chrylis, as a reference to the Jews exiled in Baby...chrylis, as a reference to the Jews exiled in Babylon, the “people walking in darkness [who] have seen a great light” makes even less sense to me. Even Matthew, in quoting the passage, puts it in context to refer to the area north of Galilee, to which Isaiah refers in v. 1. But it was the people in the southern kingdom who were exiled to Babylon; they would hardly draw hope from, or even see the relevance of, a prophecy pertaining to God’s Messiah bringing light to the “Galilee of the Gentiles”.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-15003375624142621552010-03-16T10:20:41.175-07:002010-03-16T10:20:41.175-07:00While not attempting to laud the Easter message as...While not attempting to laud the Easter message as a whole, I think it is possible that the reference to "exile" is intended to evoke the Babylonian captivity rather than the Egyptian; whether connecting Isaiah's words with the subsequent captivity makes sense is at least arguable rather than laughable.<br /><br />On the whole, though, I'm not so sure that this little gem is "theobabble". It does seem fairly coherent when viewed from a Gnostic perspective, which in my view fits the overall trend of Western Christianity and of ECUSA in particular.chrylishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417282205206760286noreply@blogger.com