tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post3742044424981783937..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: 815's Day of Reckoning ApproachesA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-40156800827526282632009-09-03T07:22:43.346-07:002009-09-03T07:22:43.346-07:00. . . And word on the street has it that the ".... . . And word on the street has it that the "considerable amount going out to prop up its Potemkin dioceses" is about to dry up soon--and I know that at least in the one situation I'm most familiar with, the pseudo-diocese will be hard-pressed to function without it.TK+https://www.blogger.com/profile/16402992732775778006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-36244642787890794452009-09-02T14:32:56.316-07:002009-09-02T14:32:56.316-07:00J Iovine, if you click on "A Guide to This Si...J Iovine, if you click on "A Guide to This Site", you will find <a href="http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/08/dennis-canon.html" rel="nofollow">a page</a> which collects all my posts to date on the Dennis Canon. I am planning to add more posts on that topic, but in the meantime, those links should give you a pretty good start.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-65215732593570222862009-09-02T12:54:48.726-07:002009-09-02T12:54:48.726-07:00Sir -
Thanks so much for "unraveling" th...Sir -<br />Thanks so much for "unraveling" these things for us.<br /><br />Will you do the same re: Dennis Canon?<br /><br />Thanks,J Iovinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261514194020286405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-83802113642001915792009-09-02T12:25:41.358-07:002009-09-02T12:25:41.358-07:00Daniel+
What will TEC do with hundreds of empty b...Daniel+<br /><br />What will TEC do with hundreds of empty buildings, no people to pay for upkeep and the costs to keep the buildings?<br /><br />If +KJS had followed +Griswold's path very little of this would be happening and we would not be transferring the wealth of TEC to trial lawyers.<br /><br />YBIC,<br />Phil Snyderplsdeaconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18039800243898137584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-36112298717603126582009-09-01T19:31:32.654-07:002009-09-01T19:31:32.654-07:00UP, it looks as though the property of the Society...UP, it looks as though the property of the Society <a href="http://philorthodox.blogspot.com/2009/06/all-saints-sisters-of-poor-in.html?showComment=1249940827125#c6670185845218235449" rel="nofollow">belongs to them outright</a>, so there will be no dispute over who owns it. They are not a "parish" or "mission" or "congregation" within the meaning of <a href="http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/08/dennis-canon.html" rel="nofollow">the Dennis Canon</a>, so it cannot apply to them.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-15239074671889319602009-09-01T18:08:05.388-07:002009-09-01T18:08:05.388-07:00I wonder if there will be a additional lawsuit ove...I wonder if there will be a additional lawsuit over <a href="http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/25100/" rel="nofollow">the case of the ten sisters</a> from the Society of All Saints' Sisters of the Poor in Catonsville who are converting to Roman Catholic.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-21375808515357204612009-09-01T15:37:56.061-07:002009-09-01T15:37:56.061-07:00The day of reckoning is not only for ECUSA but for...The day of reckoning is not only for ECUSA but for those who asserted claims to property that was formerly clear Episcopal Church property. As I have stated many times, in the absence of some ecclesiastical body that could settle these disputes, all the parties are quite justified in asserting their claims. It is, IMV, a matter of stewardhip.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-41526680245652055852009-09-01T14:48:19.562-07:002009-09-01T14:48:19.562-07:00Courage, Tregonsee. ECUSA's track record thus ...Courage, Tregonsee. ECUSA's track record thus far is only with parishes trying to withdraw, not dioceses.<br /><br />The articles of parish corporations generally have language in them which subject them "always", "forever" or "permanently" to ECUSA's Constitution and Canons; frequently the latter are even incorporated into the Articles by reference. That lightens the court's job in each such instance.<br /><br />But there are very few dioceses who make themselves <i>subject to</i> ECUSA's Constitution and Canons. Most simply "accede" to them, which in the language of international treaty law, simply means that they consent to be bound by them for the time being. Such consent can be withdrawn at any time, particularly if there is no limitation on the powers of a Diocese to amend its Constitution, as is the case with these four dioceses.<br /><br />I think at least one court, and probably more, will be able to tell the difference between the current situation vis-a-vis the dioceses and the earlier situations involving parishes. With no language to point to, ECUSA is left with its "unwritten" argument -- and the case of the nine dioceses in the Civil War disproves that argument.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-90423312838059963902009-09-01T13:43:01.390-07:002009-09-01T13:43:01.390-07:00The balloon could pop, but so far, TEC has, with t...The balloon could pop, but so far, TEC has, with the exception of Virginia, pretty much had it their own way. Suppose all four diocesan cases go to TEC. Any departing diocese will do so with the near-certainty that it will mean leaving with the clothes on their backs, and only if they have proof of ownership to them. The same is already true of parishes.<br /><br />What options then remain? I suppose they could do something like a local parish is doing, and DioSC may do. This is to say they are still in TEC, but will in all respects act as if they are not. That game may work for a time, but ultimately a new priest or bishop will be needed. Trying times for the faithful.Tregonseehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01705100658499499100noreply@blogger.com