tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post2910918740221012907..comments2024-02-19T07:24:42.397-08:00Comments on Anglican Curmudgeon: Constitutional Crisis in ECUSA - Pt IV: Leeks, Watermelons and Fleshpots of EgyptA. S. Haleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-38288837450342858092010-10-27T09:25:25.261-07:002010-10-27T09:25:25.261-07:00I can assure everyone that her non canonical and u...I can assure everyone that her non canonical and unconstitutional actions won't have any meaning in this diocese. Even if she wants to go ahead with charges next July, so what ???Alexihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222877183938209659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-83461051305834598942010-10-26T14:49:23.467-07:002010-10-26T14:49:23.467-07:00Well, we now have convincing evidence that Eric Bl...Well, we now have convincing evidence that Eric Blair's fictional forecast is being fulfilled, even though Winston Smith's predicted anatgonist was not correctly forecast either as to nationality or political role, and despite Blair's missing the timing by twenty six years.<br /><br />The Ministry of Truth, complete with the infamous "memory hole" has arrived on the scene and, to everyone's great surprise, it is TEC (aka <b><i>ECUSA</i></b>)<b>!</b> Who would've thought?<br /><br />"War is Peace."<br />"<i>Arbeit macht frei</i>."<br />"ECUSA is hierarchical."<br />"Litigation is Missionary."<br /><br />My sympathies and prayers are with all faithful Anglicans, including those Episcopalians who have yet to see the future in ECUSA.<br /><br />Pax et bonum,<br />Keith TöpferMartial Artisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679584221923893460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-5795998571647682762010-10-26T11:43:15.875-07:002010-10-26T11:43:15.875-07:00Seems like TEC is becoming the nation’s largest li...Seems like TEC is becoming the nation’s largest litigation specialist, while specializing in hostile real estate land grabs. <br /><br />They are facing a huge financial mess and it will not get any better. For one, plate and pledges continue to drop. They are spending millions on the many lawsuits going on. <br /><br />IF they win in any of the major lawsuits against those in Ft. Worth, Pittsburgh and San Joaquin, they will end up with an even more serious financial situation – what to do with hundreds of parish properties which are now empty? IF they win, the congregations simply leave and start somewhere else, leaving an empty church, cathedral and/or school. Someone has to make the payments on these facilities and the upkeep. Sure, they could sell them, but as we all know there isn’t a huge market for a used church these days. I know that in the Cathedral parish I am in, not only is the original parish and land still being paid on but the rather new school has a note as well. And I’m sure in some states is the facility isn’t being used as a church, property taxes are levied on it. And in some cases, any county would love to have the property taxes on a piece of real estate worth a few million. So, in the end, TEC will always be in a huge financial mess, whether they win or lose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-38687961211658471882010-10-26T06:01:11.308-07:002010-10-26T06:01:11.308-07:00Alexi, do not assume that the complaint by the Epi...Alexi, do not assume that the complaint by the Episcopal Forum has been "denied" -- the Executive Council has nothing to do with any such complaints. The Presiding Bishop may have decided to refer it to the Title IV Review Committee, or she may have not. If she didn't refer it, it will end there. But if she did -- and look with whom we are dealing -- then all the proceedings will remain under wraps until that Committee decides whether or not to bring a presentment, or to charge Bishop Lawrence with "abandonment of communion." <br /><br />If it does the latter, then Bishop Jefferts Schori is required by Canon IV.9 to obtain the consent of the three most senior bishops in the Church before she declares him "inhibited" -- but she ignored that requirement twice before, in the cases of Bishops Cox and Duncan. However, Bishop Lawrence will not, I predict, stand idly by and allow the PB to ignore the Canons. We should know by January or February just how far this is going.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-39625728094815758382010-10-26T05:03:38.011-07:002010-10-26T05:03:38.011-07:00Charlie Suttton,
I am with you on this. I am confu...Charlie Suttton,<br />I am with you on this. I am confused by communications from KJS and the ABC. There is some kind of insulated cultural new-speak involved. There is a trade jargon specific to the liberals kind of like an impressionist painting that appeals to them. I have always been a Rembrandt fan myself.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-75337885856218039802010-10-26T04:48:59.218-07:002010-10-26T04:48:59.218-07:00Having read Baby Blue's thoughts as well, I am...Having read Baby Blue's thoughts as well, I am certainly very happy that the Episcopal Forum's investigation has been denied. At least some on the Executive Council realize that there are Canonical limitations on what the PB and her office can do. <br /><br />Reading between the lines and trying to understand the PB's comments as biologist ( not as theologian or even priest), i think she is running scared and realizes that something is NOT right but can not figure out what. <br /><br />Don't quite understand the "suicide by governance" phrase she uses to describe the situation. The only biological idea that I could see that might fit is when a cell kills itself due to the expression of certain genes. The expression of these genes is almost always an response to an adverse environment. So an adverse environment is leading to the expression of certain ideas through which TECUSA is on the road to self destruction. Interesting, maybe??? Don't know.Alexihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222877183938209659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-15864898943519948432010-10-25T19:36:39.058-07:002010-10-25T19:36:39.058-07:00I have never been able to make sense of anything B...I have never been able to make sense of anything Bp Schori says. The only people who seem to understand her are those who agree with her - and I am not sure that they really do understand her; they may simply be applauding her buzzwords.Charlie Suttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08726338596245954419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-10598465122036084912010-10-25T18:06:46.313-07:002010-10-25T18:06:46.313-07:00AC - Do you know if anyone from the Executive Coun...AC - Do you know if anyone from the Executive Council reads your blog? If not, is there any way of disseminating your article among them? <br /><br />It would be interesting to know something about the idealogical make-up of this body. Surely they cannot all be liberal pushovers?Topperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14537239370392917165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-54396408939496682010-10-25T17:55:31.492-07:002010-10-25T17:55:31.492-07:00And then there is this 'update'/spin from ...And then there is this 'update'/spin from the Egotist Cafe: <br /><br />http://www.episcopalcafe.com/lead/executive_council/executive_council_talks_it_out.htmljohn iliff https://www.blogger.com/profile/02302505584191566477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-9390370677357122742010-10-25T13:37:50.635-07:002010-10-25T13:37:50.635-07:00St. Nikao,
I had the same thoughts as you as I rea...St. Nikao,<br />I had the same thoughts as you as I read her comments.I think she would like to shrink the executive council to a more "manageable" number.It appears she can't avoid the current feedback. I would call this white knuckle crisis management. She is in over her head. She had the correct politics but she didn't have the right stuff. It is the real "Peter" principle. She wants to press on but has no destination.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-70533394352896947492010-10-25T13:29:55.954-07:002010-10-25T13:29:55.954-07:00This is From Jeremiah 14, one of the parts elimina...This is From Jeremiah 14, one of the parts eliminated from the lectionary reading. Does this sound familiar to you?<br /><br />11 Then the LORD said to me, "Do not pray for the well-being of this people. 12 Although they fast, I will not listen to their cry; though they offer burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them. Instead, I will destroy them with the sword, famine and plague." 13 But I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, the prophets keep telling them, 'You will not see the sword or suffer famine. Indeed, I will give you lasting peace in this place.' "<br /><br /> 14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries [a] and the delusions of their own minds. 15 Therefore, this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, 'No sword or famine will touch this land.' Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine. 16 And the people they are prophesying to will be thrown out into the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and sword. There will be no one to bury them or their wives, their sons or their daughters. I will pour out on them the calamity they deserve.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05449315071318654296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-46114470771826579682010-10-25T11:47:24.277-07:002010-10-25T11:47:24.277-07:00That last passage of hers you quoted sounds like t...That last passage of hers you quoted sounds like the mutterings of a Jim Jones cult guru. The use of Biblical language, but totally dark - totally detached from the Truth of the Word of God, the mind of Christ and the light of the Holy Spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-91112320114260890592010-10-25T09:23:22.627-07:002010-10-25T09:23:22.627-07:00Not only a constitutional crisis but a crisis of l...Not only a constitutional crisis but a crisis of leadership. All we have now is one confused babe and a bunch of "yes people". Not one of them really understands what is needed ( ie a return to the Gospel of Christ), the "leaders" will continue to flounder and wander as if in a wilderness.Alexihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222877183938209659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-51425757329177045422010-10-25T09:17:59.412-07:002010-10-25T09:17:59.412-07:00Good, Perhaps the Executive Council will be too bu...Good, Perhaps the Executive Council will be too busy to respond to the Episcopal Forum of SC's letter to investigate the actions taken here (ie our recent convention). <br /><br />As for the "microscopic focus", I can only allude to a shared background with the PB, (ie as biologist), that perhaps she means that focusing on small details is choking TECUSA from the inside? Perhaps she has actually read some of our Bishop's initiatives to form relationships around the Anglican Communion?? Is it too much to hope for that she is beginning to realize what is really happening ? Perhaps the "wandering in the wilderness" is an allusion to not knowing what to do anymore. Perhaps she really does need to call somebody here and say " WHAT are you all focusing on that you are ready and willing to "make Biblical Anglicans for a Global Age" in this crazy world?<br /><br /> PB, I promise you the phone lines to 126 Coming Street are open and waiting...... waiting.Alexihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222877183938209659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-70333951528247505822010-10-25T08:27:36.531-07:002010-10-25T08:27:36.531-07:00ENS provides an interesting view of the captains l...ENS provides an interesting view of the captains log from the bridge of the S.S. T.E.c. <br /><br />I just hope the Carpathia is careful to keep these officers off of her bridge when she picks up the survivors.<br /><br />Before this analogy goes too far, do you know any good maritime lawyers?Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-26980488095151455982010-10-25T07:59:54.595-07:002010-10-25T07:59:54.595-07:00Art,
Thank you for reading and commenting on KJS&...Art,<br /><br />Thank you for reading and commenting on KJS's silliness. I admire your ability to encounter so much non-sequitur and fantasy while remaining ratiional and coherent yourself.<br /><br />Carl+Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048863893895777721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-86187197635193006822010-10-25T03:42:33.525-07:002010-10-25T03:42:33.525-07:00I don't think there is a constitutional crisis...I don't think there is a constitutional crisis because there is no real chance the constitution will be enforced. Thus the crisis will go unacknowledged except for outsider blogs like Curmudgeon. <br /><br />Sooner or later the current presiding bishop will get an 'enabling act' to allow her to formally rule by decree as she is already doing in fact. There is no one in any position of influence within the Episcopal church that will be able to oppose her. Indeed, the Crews and Brunos of TEC will be applauding her.TheOldCrusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944385246214730576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-759178030677978044.post-69248008202351807572010-10-24T22:27:12.677-07:002010-10-24T22:27:12.677-07:00I envision the Presiding Bishop standing at the bo...I envision the Presiding Bishop standing at the bow of the Titanic. Arms extended outward, she is facing the wind and waves while being gently braced by D. B. Beers. She truly is Queen of the sinking juggernaut.<br /><br />Perhaps she'll sue the wind and waves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com